Comments on: Fluoride & Cancer Quackery http://skepticalvegan.com/2012/07/11/fluoride-cancer-quackery/ Tue, 17 Dec 2013 19:53:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: 1kcc http://skepticalvegan.com/2012/07/11/fluoride-cancer-quackery/#comment-3846 Sun, 27 Oct 2013 16:37:59 +0000 http://skepticalvegan.com/?p=1538#comment-3846 Well, I neither drink urine nor ‘consume’ cardboard in any noticeable amount on purpose. But thanks for looking into for me.

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By: Glenn http://skepticalvegan.com/2012/07/11/fluoride-cancer-quackery/#comment-3845 Sun, 27 Oct 2013 14:45:49 +0000 http://skepticalvegan.com/?p=1538#comment-3845 It doesn’t take much intelligence to realize that adding poison to drinking water is not a good thing. We are talking about an industrial waste product that Hitler used to sedate and control his prisoners. Wake the hell up and THINK. Don’t feed me that crap that it fights tooth decay. It’s used to dumb us down and sedate us. The government and corporations couldn’t care less about our teeth to begin with. If that were true, they would not be poisoning use with GMO, good additives, Aspartame and other little goodies. I don’t buy vegan’s arguments for a second. And, by the way, I was a scientist.

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By: skepticalvegan http://skepticalvegan.com/2012/07/11/fluoride-cancer-quackery/#comment-3782 Thu, 10 Oct 2013 03:08:07 +0000 http://skepticalvegan.com/?p=1538#comment-3782 First you are going to have to provide a citation for the claim that Ireland has A: the highest rate of neurological disease, B: the highest rate of cardiovascular disease, C: the highest rate of thyroid disease, & D: the highest rate of cancer.

Second you will have to state what evidence you have that these things are caused by fluoridation in Ireland versus other causes.

Cancer in Ireland has been studied in relation to fluoridation and found no link (in addition to many studies from around the world). The National Cancer Registry Ireland has also stated that they do “not consider that water fluoridation is a plausible explanation” for cancer rates in Ireland.

Fluoridation and cardiovascular disease have also been studied in various nations and found no reason for concern.

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By: Connor http://skepticalvegan.com/2012/07/11/fluoride-cancer-quackery/#comment-3779 Wed, 09 Oct 2013 09:11:31 +0000 http://skepticalvegan.com/?p=1538#comment-3779 Fluoride is for fools who want cancer.
Ireland is the only country in the European Union with mandated fluoride, it also has the highest rate of neurological disease, cardiovascular disease, thyroid and cancer.

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By: skepticalvegan http://skepticalvegan.com/2012/07/11/fluoride-cancer-quackery/#comment-3705 Tue, 24 Sep 2013 04:40:39 +0000 http://skepticalvegan.com/?p=1538#comment-3705 While urine present in comparable levels to that of fluoride in fluoridated water would almost certainly be safe to drink, I’m not sure it would convey any benefits. I’m fairly sure that all that “drink your own urine for health” stuff has little quality scientific support. Anyways there is a good chance that folks drinking from the tap (or natural sources) are already drinking a bit of urine in water sourced from an uncovered reservoir or if the city does toilet-to-tap water treatment.

And sure cardboard (cellulose really, as that what it is made of) could also be consumed (though not really digested). But to what end? I mean its used in some food products actually (& is naturally present in other things we eat like corn).

I see where you were trying to go with this but I think you failed at make any kind of good analogy. Anyways arguing from analogy while sometimes helpful for illustration is fairly weak if it is all you have.

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By: Been http://skepticalvegan.com/2012/07/11/fluoride-cancer-quackery/#comment-3704 Mon, 23 Sep 2013 19:02:33 +0000 http://skepticalvegan.com/?p=1538#comment-3704 What is your point?

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By: Grey http://skepticalvegan.com/2012/07/11/fluoride-cancer-quackery/#comment-3701 Mon, 23 Sep 2013 05:54:12 +0000 http://skepticalvegan.com/?p=1538#comment-3701 I’m sure urine in small enough doses is safe and Googlably healthy. Also, let’s not forget that cardboard is digestible. :-)

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By: skepticalvegan http://skepticalvegan.com/2012/07/11/fluoride-cancer-quackery/#comment-3677 Wed, 18 Sep 2013 04:23:41 +0000 http://skepticalvegan.com/?p=1538#comment-3677 The quote is from here http://www.in.gov/isdh/24525.htm

You can find more info in Chapter 9 of The Fluoride Wars by R. Allan Freeze, Jay H. Lehr. You can preview a bit of it on google books but I really recommend getting a copy.

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By: roman hoesing http://skepticalvegan.com/2012/07/11/fluoride-cancer-quackery/#comment-3645 Sun, 08 Sep 2013 22:25:42 +0000 http://skepticalvegan.com/?p=1538#comment-3645 I am looking for the source of this information on the Chapter 280 within the NFFE. This is offered by antiF activist so frequently I would like to establish a firm basis for this skeptical info.

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By: Been http://skepticalvegan.com/2012/07/11/fluoride-cancer-quackery/#comment-3382 Sat, 27 Jul 2013 02:52:53 +0000 http://skepticalvegan.com/?p=1538#comment-3382 Paul, you started splitting hairs when you failed to observe the common sentiment being discussed (that there are people arguing against fluoridation -along with other sanitation methods- by saying it is poisonuous and dangerous), and focused on the obvious argument everyone will agree on “people want drinkable water”. Oh okay, that wasn’t explicitly written but it is the notion that you were obviously implying when you said, “No one disagrees with sanitizing the water, but not everyone agrees to being medicated with fluoride.”
I feel like skepticalvegan addressed a relevant point when they said “Actually there are people who oppose current sanitation methods…and they are often the same people who oppose fluoridation.” I feel as though people who are opposing the current sanitation methods because of “danger” or whatever are close enough in spirit to people who don’t want sanitation as is relevant to the point of this blog. You aren’t going to win me over with semantics.

Now, it seems to me that skepticalvegan replied to your question, “What’s so hard to understand about [people not wanting fluoride forced upon them]?” with “Fluoridation is a reasonable and beneficial public health intervention. What’s so hard to understand about that?” I’d feel safe to assume that this blog speaks as a solid argument in support of the notion that the benefits behind fluoride are pretty darn founded. – I feel this was the more relevant argument, and it ain’t the one you are focusing on. If you want to address it, bring out the big facts, not just unsupported claims, especially ones that have already been discussed.

So now that you’ve framed an argument (one that isn’t even particularly relevant to the point of this whole blog) so that both sides would obviously agree on it, you just go on to state there is no proof of the benefits of fluoride, a point that isn’t relevant to whether people want sanitized water or not. There looks like a lot of evidence for the benefits of fluoridation to me. And this has all been addressed in prior comments. Then appeal you to authority and numbers yada yada.

So yeah, I’ll agree, you picked your words very carefully, but they aren’t convincing me of anything. And I agree that public resources shouldn’t go to a program like this (unless like, everyone wanted it I guess), so like, lol.

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